tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post3280654836609727632..comments2023-11-03T11:32:01.540+00:00Comments on Thought Experiments : The Blog: Ivan CameronBryan Appleyardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-90622076138068693032009-02-27T10:21:00.000+00:002009-02-27T10:21:00.000+00:00What you did, Facetious O'Cynicism, was be a bit n...What you did, Facetious O'Cynicism, was be a bit nasty on the internet.<BR/><BR/>Nothing very edifying or, indeed, interesting about that, and you're doubtless better than it, so my advice would be to change the moniker, commit this whole sorry episode to the past, and join in the fun.<BR/><BR/>I proffer this wisdom <I>gratis</I>.Brithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390560583798960760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-18181324507536300182009-02-27T10:10:00.000+00:002009-02-27T10:10:00.000+00:00FO'C: I still don't quite understand or see benefi...FO'C: I still don't quite understand or see benefit of cynicism originally expressed. But apology accepted as sincere, sorry wrong end of stick, etc.<BR/><BR/>Here's one other place I was coming from. I am extremely interested in how new media that allow anonymous and pseudonymous comments with minimal moderation cope with such sensitive moments. There's too often a disgusting race to the bottom,Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-40091489536332139202009-02-26T22:04:00.000+00:002009-02-26T22:04:00.000+00:00Only those closely involved in the death of a youn...Only those closely involved in the death of a young person have the right to say how it really is. Everyone else is guessing. The more humane among us react with whatever our senses will allow.<BR/>Robinsons post was just a man genuinely expressing his feelings I have not bothered to read the comments, it was his humanity that I highlighted.<BR/>Perhaps it would have been better to leave the maltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-324567005937047912009-02-26T20:36:00.000+00:002009-02-26T20:36:00.000+00:00Richard, where you picked me up I was paraphrasing...Richard, where you picked me up I was paraphrasing the original blog, or rather my own interpretation of it after viewing the BBC link. Therefore the sentiments referred to are the ones I see damaged in everyone's interpretation of Cameron. Not strictly my sentiments. I found it funny that following the link the first few comments slipstreamed the the tone of the BBC. That kind of implies I was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-8420687512519659222009-02-26T19:35:00.000+00:002009-02-26T19:35:00.000+00:00The only good thing about him was his relationship...<I>The only good thing about him was his relationship with his son; but now he's destroyed those sentiments with his family values posturing.</I><BR/><BR/>Note what is central here. Your sentiments and how they have been destroyed, through no fault of your own, since a real boy died aged six yesterday morning.<BR/><BR/>For once the tragedy and humanity are elsewhere, Facile. The loss of your Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-61545237827521263802009-02-26T07:52:00.000+00:002009-02-26T07:52:00.000+00:00This is not your finest comment, Bryan. I assume y...This is not your finest comment, Bryan. I assume you must know David Cameron extremely well. I do not know the man at all and therefore could not possibly say what was (is) his finest characteristic. I might also infer that since you made no mention of Samantha Cameron's devotion to her children that this is not her finest quality.<BR/>Both I and my wife do however know what it is like to lose a Bryan Dunleavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550652628913169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-38445254488917383882009-02-26T02:54:00.000+00:002009-02-26T02:54:00.000+00:00Yeah, a palsy kid died, it's sad. Mr Cameron and h...Yeah, a palsy kid died, it's sad. Mr Cameron and his P.R machine will happily brew up kudos for themselves, every cloud etc. <BR/><BR/>Even Gordon Brown has to get his share of the spin.<BR/><BR/>-Mr Brown, who suggested suspending the weekly Commons clash as a mark of respect, said every child was "precious and irreplaceable" and that the death of a child "was something that no parent should Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-91682791175333413792009-02-25T23:52:00.000+00:002009-02-25T23:52:00.000+00:00What's also interesting on that blog is how many c...What's also interesting on that blog is how many comments the BBC moderators felt the need to block. Without of course knowing all the reasons I'm going to guess the <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/02/thursday_12_february_2009.html#comment59" REL="nofollow">horrible kind of thing</A>, based on <A HREF="http://www.bryanappleyard.com/blog/2009/02/Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-30458741913116706322009-02-25T21:45:00.000+00:002009-02-25T21:45:00.000+00:00For the first time in his career Robinson has earn...For the first time in his career Robinson has earned the title <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson" REL="nofollow">journalist</A>maltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936465848907794425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-37169617752372503652009-02-25T20:57:00.000+00:002009-02-25T20:57:00.000+00:00"A flip and, doubtless, an ignorant comment. Do yo..."A flip and, doubtless, an ignorant comment. Do you really know the true nature of the relationship between Cameron and his son?"<BR/><BR/>Chill out ffs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-70539893589291317302009-02-25T16:56:00.000+00:002009-02-25T16:56:00.000+00:00That's pretty funny.That's pretty funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-6113997806588540082009-02-25T16:48:00.000+00:002009-02-25T16:48:00.000+00:00Of course one doesn't know. As Bryan's said it's j...Of course one doesn't <I>know</I>. As Bryan's said it's judgment. That's all we've got. But we do make them, all the time. I was making that explicit. Bryan had obviously come to a fairly similar conclusion, probably with much more direct data to go on. But, of course, in the end we don't know. There are also limits to spin, though. Sure, the media distorts but a discerning reader/viewer can aim Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-11152456836303631862009-02-25T16:37:00.000+00:002009-02-25T16:37:00.000+00:00I don't know the true nature of my relationship wi...I don't know the true nature of my relationship with my own daughter. Judgments are balances of probabilities and intuitions.Bryan Appleyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-32751753984162826072009-02-25T16:36:00.000+00:002009-02-25T16:36:00.000+00:00A flip and, doubtless, an ignorant comment. Do you...A flip and, doubtless, an ignorant comment. Do you really know the true nature of the relationship between Cameron and his son?Mark Sturdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04771534011550610858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-100840766364825832009-02-25T16:17:00.000+00:002009-02-25T16:17:00.000+00:00Yes, I got that. I wasn't trying by the way to sne...Yes, I got that. I wasn't trying by the way to sneak in any belief I might have - but others including the Camerons might not - vis-a-vis immediate or more distant future. I was accepting the framework and brutish fact of the sudden ending of the relationship early this morning. Words are inadequate on that. I haven't lost a young child myself so I won't add anything to the reams being written Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-81748951555077451462009-02-25T14:53:00.000+00:002009-02-25T14:53:00.000+00:00Hmmmm, yes, but the relationship has technically e...Hmmmm, yes, but the relationship has technically ended.Bryan Appleyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-37211339040540616772009-02-25T14:24:00.000+00:002009-02-25T14:24:00.000+00:00I don't think the tense can be right there Bryan. ...I don't think the tense can be right there Bryan. Whatever strengths Cameron has will remain. As will precious memories of a son and brother they knew might be taken from them at any time. But not before changing every one of them, forever.Richard Drakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10005416556432927671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-8986122270035260682009-02-25T10:29:00.000+00:002009-02-25T10:29:00.000+00:00Very sad, adversity shapes us more than anything e...Very sad, adversity shapes us more than anything else, when the tears stop we are left with a new strength.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362169593902131947noreply@blogger.com