tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post649230995351287592..comments2023-11-03T11:32:01.540+00:00Comments on Thought Experiments : The Blog: Media Pomp and CircumstanceBryan Appleyardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-80244186445946538622008-06-16T09:36:00.000+00:002008-06-16T09:36:00.000+00:00[...]resource here[...][...]resource here[...]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-42515478869990214822007-03-30T21:46:00.000+00:002007-03-30T21:46:00.000+00:00I attended the event and have my own post. Overall...I attended the event and have my own post. Overall, although Clarke's analysis was right, it was right for the wrong reasons.<BR/><BR/>Having started this idiocy of media worship he wants it changed becuase it does not suit his purposes anymore. <BR/><BR/>He is just arrogant in the extreme.CityUnslickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-22596262248252759792007-03-29T23:58:00.000+00:002007-03-29T23:58:00.000+00:00Hasn't politics always been slightly image obsesse...Hasn't politics always been slightly image obsessed? The tories elect PR man David cameron and their polls go up.<BR/>It doesn't matter what his policies are, as long as he carries on appearing handsome, charming and relatively sane, that's it. <BR/>Same with Blair, Clinton, JFK, Thatcher, Hitler, Stalin etc. <BR/>Policies aside, they all had personalities that inspired many, many people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-60163171911117151662007-03-29T18:39:00.000+00:002007-03-29T18:39:00.000+00:00In today's media driven frenzy of reporting everyt...In today's media driven frenzy of reporting everything, we seem to be getting more and more of nothing! No truer example of this is politics and the dismal showing of elected officials from all parties. Long gone are the days when we could look to our chosen leaders with a sense of optimism and comfort that we have chosen the right person for the job, now we vote and wait for the proverbial merdeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-67339867199739063422007-03-29T17:37:00.000+00:002007-03-29T17:37:00.000+00:00Apologies or a nod, I don't know which, to Neil. I...Apologies or a nod, I don't know which, to Neil. I hadn't read his comment before posting mine.Richard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-25272528264668409362007-03-29T17:35:00.000+00:002007-03-29T17:35:00.000+00:00I’m heartily sick of politicians who want to engag...I’m heartily sick of politicians who want to engage with us, have a dialogue, and as you say Bryan - introduce yet more initiatives. A bit of leadership might not go amiss. Politics is like corporate life - people desperately trying to avoid getting caught out, surrounding themselves with layers that protect them and moving on in two years before they're rumbled.<BR/><BR/>When I had a proper job Richard Havershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15309594787689405779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-42691915665687435642007-03-29T17:06:00.000+00:002007-03-29T17:06:00.000+00:00The current media-obsessed climate has, for me, re...The current media-obsessed climate has, for me, resulted in one seemingly impossible outcome: it has made John Prescott more bearable. I actually look forward to Prescott's (now very occasional) outings on the <I>Today</I> programme which, gruff and ignorant as they may be, at least sound genuine and unspun.martpolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08508497057736355841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-31251158339322113902007-03-29T15:25:00.000+00:002007-03-29T15:25:00.000+00:00If one keeps it in mind that politics has become, ...If one keeps it in mind that politics has become, essentially, show business for ugly people, then it all makes sense. A new policy or inishyativ is like a new album or film release and elections are box office. One could take this analogy too far, so I'll stop (although it might be fun).Neil Forsythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240393170374161007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-42111810630680634632007-03-29T13:23:00.000+00:002007-03-29T13:23:00.000+00:00Addressing Chris's point but also all the others -...Addressing Chris's point but also all the others - it. surely, is a question of balance. Politics and the media are inevitably enmeshed but the pendulum has swung too far. The media, to be effective, must work on the basis that politics is about something. But, at the moment, it seems to be about the media and little else.Bryan Appleyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-11721556784816240812007-03-29T12:56:00.000+00:002007-03-29T12:56:00.000+00:00Bryan, your comments hold true on this side of the...Bryan, your comments hold true on this side of the pond as well. Barack Obama's campaign has been successful to this point solely based on his ability to tap into the media's favored storylines. The media has become like a publisher of pulp novels. If the author (candidate) follows the standard storyline, then the publisher (news outlet) knows he can sell it. It's about the sales.Duckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852569465893563139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-72349557552162668042007-03-29T11:30:00.000+00:002007-03-29T11:30:00.000+00:00Ha, indeed. Well observed. And that actually raise...Ha, indeed. Well observed. <BR/><BR/>And that actually raises another key point: while Guido and his ilk need to accept that political hacks must and do play a different role to political bloggers in certain crucial respects, it's important to note that, thanks to the all-seeing blogosphere, journalists and their practices are, quite properly, also under close and constant scrutiny. <BR/><BR/>BigJohnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12678545794431822288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-47282387892095478412007-03-29T11:08:00.000+00:002007-03-29T11:08:00.000+00:00I'm afraid I find myself generally untempted by th...I'm afraid I find myself generally untempted by the various media circuses as a whole. The Goldfish Consciousness that seems to result probably isn't one to be highly recommended. This without going into how little ceredence one can put in the media and its lovers, the politicians in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-75461963499068501852007-03-29T11:02:00.000+00:002007-03-29T11:02:00.000+00:00I apologise for interrupting this obessive discuss...I apologise for interrupting this obessive discussion about Guido Fawkes (yawn)...<BR/><BR/>Bryan yr comments seem to assume 'intentionality' on Tony's part - or anyone else's. How how can politics NOT be completely enmeshed with the Media? It's like ivy on a wall. And it doesn't matter which is which, metaphorically speaking.<BR/><BR/>I can't begin to imagine an alternative scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-34860241671797558652007-03-29T08:52:00.000+00:002007-03-29T08:52:00.000+00:00Sorry, badly put - he does acknowledge that point ...Sorry, badly put - he does acknowledge that point but doesn't take on the wider media issueBryan Appleyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-50270800918483638542007-03-29T08:50:00.000+00:002007-03-29T08:50:00.000+00:00I've been trying to watch Guido's film, Johnny, bu...I've been trying to watch Guido's film, Johnny, but Paddy O'Internet won't let me. The Robinson post is interesting, notably for these words about Clarke's speech -<BR/><BR/>'Much more stimulating is a lecture by Charles Clarke on New Labour and the Media, which reflects his frustration that his efforts to kick start a debate about what Labour should do in the future is seen entirely through the Bryan Appleyardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-24645864326663692082007-03-29T08:38:00.000+00:002007-03-29T08:38:00.000+00:00On the point of the relationship between politicia...On the point of the relationship between politicians and the media, what do you make of <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6500000/newsid_6503100/6503175.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm" REL="nofollow">Guido's Newsnight film</A>, Bryan?<BR/><BR/>I can see how anyone on the outside of mainstream journalism would find Guido's argument persuasive, but it's naive in the extreme, and dangerously Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12678545794431822288noreply@blogger.com