tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post6743768528449534825..comments2023-11-03T11:32:01.540+00:00Comments on Thought Experiments : The Blog: Retro Fever LatestBryan Appleyardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08276787058430388582noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-53867636206858225992007-10-11T16:58:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:58:00.000+00:00Oh, alright. We'll agree that he was only as murde...Oh, alright. We'll agree that he was only as murderous as that 'breaks the eggs but fails to create an omelette' character Lenin and leave it at that shall we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-74351919944089263892007-10-11T16:54:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:54:00.000+00:00Perhaps you are too young to recall the Cold War w...Perhaps you are too young to recall the Cold War when "left-wing commie bastard" rolled off the tongue of all good thinking people everywhere. But fortunately there is always Wikipedia which can help complete your education.<BR/><BR/>Yes, it is true that if you go far enough on the left you find Communism and eventually Stalinism. And if you go far enough on the right you find fascism and HitlerTom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-54951261392244550942007-10-11T16:48:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:48:00.000+00:00And in what way was Che more Stalinist than say Ma...And in what way was Che more Stalinist than say Marxist-Leninist? Or does "Marxist-Leninist thug" just not roll off the tongue so easily?Tom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-12117661240662233362007-10-11T16:46:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:46:00.000+00:00"And I should add that Stalinism is a brand of com..."And I should add that Stalinism is a brand of communism which most people consider to be on the left side of the political spectrum."<BR/><BR/>Oh, too good. Too good. You don't say Sherlock? And that paints the left in a good light, does it? But really I don't think we should carry on, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-34283447062768979542007-10-11T16:43:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:43:00.000+00:00Well, in the way I would refer to someone who foll...Well, in the way I would refer to someone who followed a Trotskyist model as 'Trotskyist', or the Maoist model as 'Maoist', those who follow Marxist-Leninism to its logical conclusion, Stalinist to most, are called 'Stalinist'. See it's not really that hard.<BR/><BR/>And of course I wouldn't refer to a fascist dictator as a Hitlerian thug, although I might be inclined to call him a thug with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-38912560809342998772007-10-11T16:37:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:37:00.000+00:00And I should add that Stalinism is a brand of comm...And I should add that Stalinism is a brand of communism which most people consider to be on the left side of the political spectrum. Or do you believe that Stalin was a libertarian?Tom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-56097039335058810942007-10-11T16:34:00.000+00:002007-10-11T16:34:00.000+00:00When people throw around phrases like "Stalinist t...When people throw around phrases like "Stalinist thug" they are idiots unless they are talking about Stalin. Do you refer to fascist dictators you don't like as "Hitlerian thugs"? Phrases like "Stalinist thug" are convenient because they eliminate the need to actually think.Tom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-50093641625292832792007-10-11T13:00:00.000+00:002007-10-11T13:00:00.000+00:00Tom POh Tom you don't know how happy you make me f...Tom P<BR/><BR/>Oh Tom you don't know how happy you make me feel. I've never been called a 'right-wing idiot' before. Of course I've been called an idiot plenty of times, and no doubt, frequently deserved, but right-wing - never.<BR/><BR/>Still I defer to your superior intelligence and understanding of the fact that 'Stalinist' is a synonym for being left-wing. Just good to have it clarified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-2562708818729708532007-10-11T08:53:00.000+00:002007-10-11T08:53:00.000+00:00it was the screen print of the photo that caught o...it was the screen print of the photo that caught on. there were other, better photos, imo - he was extremely photogenic. even after CIA 'interrogation' and immediately before execution, he looked better than the guys around him. A good casting choice in the film, Motorcycle Diaries. The Latin Brad Pitt, wasn't he? his name escapes me for the moment...<BR/><BR/>I guess there are two sides to Ian russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106519805045337505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-37860066552607073082007-10-10T20:42:00.000+00:002007-10-10T20:42:00.000+00:00Most idealists end up as killers if they get a cha...Most idealists end up as killers if they get a chance. It doesn't necessarily mean their ideals are false, unless (i suppose) their ideals state that killing is wrong under all circumstances.<BR/><BR/>Idealists are usually angry because the world is corrupt. Angry people want to kill. People who want to kill sometimes do.<BR/><BR/>Killing has a momentum & dynamic of its own, however. It's an old Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-59967063276670819142007-10-10T18:30:00.000+00:002007-10-10T18:30:00.000+00:00And as far as blood on his hands, I doubt that you...And as far as blood on his hands, I doubt that you can find a single government leader in the last 50 years without lots of blood on his hands starting with the idiotic leaders of our respective countries.Tom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-37740937991186452322007-10-10T18:27:00.000+00:002007-10-10T18:27:00.000+00:00The best thing about Che is how polarizing he is. ...The best thing about Che is how polarizing he is. I love when right-wing idiots use phrases like "Stalinist Thug". Actually Che was an idealist who despised the right-wing dictators who kept the people of South America in poverty. The movie <I>The Motorcycle Diaries</I> tells the story of Che's transformation into a revolutionary because of his tour of South America in which he saw the grindingTom P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05638283790763940692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-68340714773666878052007-10-10T17:54:00.000+00:002007-10-10T17:54:00.000+00:00Nige, I wish you'd talk dirty like that every day....Nige, I wish you'd talk dirty like that every day. Tell me more about the ball and how she was rubbing it... please!Uncle Dick Madeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01124053234469634414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-39740394527977089402007-10-10T14:26:00.000+00:002007-10-10T14:26:00.000+00:00stop it, you're making him sound interesting.stop it, you're making him sound interesting.Ian russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106519805045337505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-16733770809286980452007-10-10T14:17:00.000+00:002007-10-10T14:17:00.000+00:00IIRC, the one who shot him was drunk at the time. ...IIRC, the one who shot him was drunk at the time. Fitting end, I think.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-15090363754152578352007-10-10T14:09:00.000+00:002007-10-10T14:09:00.000+00:00Ah, France in October....Forget Che. I want to go ...Ah, France in October....Forget Che. I want to go to La Belle France, Nige. Got room in yon suitcase?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-59297755111990459102007-10-10T11:01:00.000+00:002007-10-10T11:01:00.000+00:00And a thug, Nige. Don't forget that he was a Stali...And a thug, Nige. Don't forget that he was a Stalinist thug who was lucky enough to have one picture taken of him which portrayed him looking like every student in the Seventies wished they could have looked.<BR/><BR/>No, all round bastard with lots of blood on his hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-30653315816882349392007-10-10T09:24:00.000+00:002007-10-10T09:24:00.000+00:00thanks, nige. I did wonder. it's just that you can...thanks, nige. I did wonder. it's just that you can't trust history anymore than you can believe television these days.<BR/><BR/>I ask because I know he didn't get a trial, not even a kangaroo court. so he must either have been really, really bad - or not at all bad.Ian russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106519805045337505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-6802834857678368972007-10-10T09:11:00.000+00:002007-10-10T09:11:00.000+00:00A grade A stinker, Ian - homicidal narcissistic pl...A grade A stinker, Ian - homicidal narcissistic playboy - but a great poster.Nigehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13314891387515045404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-32383990208963246222007-10-10T09:01:00.000+00:002007-10-10T09:01:00.000+00:00so, this man Che Guevara - good egg or bad egg?so, this man Che Guevara - good egg or bad egg?Ian russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106519805045337505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23400750.post-880973593622801092007-10-10T08:58:00.000+00:002007-10-10T08:58:00.000+00:00...dont go [stop]...war ended [stop]......dont go [stop]...war ended [stop]...Ian russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106519805045337505noreply@blogger.com